Why do you say that Ukrainians hate global south? What are the things of it? Because from Ukraine it seems that we are hated by global south basically for nothing.
They tend to say racist things on social media. There was also a lot thrown at students from global sourh fleeing in the first months of war.
But there's a lot of racism in Europe. I know a successful American of color who went traveling thru Europe with his wife. On International trains, Africans had to stand or sit on the floor. To the public he and his wife were just African (slurs). He mentioned Spain I think as more decent then Italy and other parts of southern Europe. It was a mixed situation too. Some refusing to serve, some were delighted to speak to an African American. Not many Americans of color explore Europe. All the African American travelers Ive known go domestic, Caribbean islands, African resorts, South Asia, and cruises especially when theres kids.
It was eye opening to hear about that European shit. They will make fun of American racism. But its been 60 years since black people had to stand on trains or else.
Well, I've traveled a lot by train and never seen that kind of racism. Rather, whether you get a seat depends on having a reservation. Granted, that may disadvantage tourists if they don't know the right homepage or app to buy reservations.
Are you a person of color? This gentleman and his wife were refused service in some restaurants. The train problem wasn't about ticketed seating this man isn't stupid. I've gotten to know a large number of non white people in my professional and personal life. I learned that white people, will almost never be able to see racism occurring. Even out in public a group of whites with a black person in it will be treated like a group of white people. Which is why I was blind to it.
My former black boss's stories were crazy, wearing a suit while driving a nice car got pulled over more then when he wore street clothes in an old car. Cops and blue collar white males REALLY hate successful black people.
Hmm... What are prevailing story among non-white people about students from global south in the first month of the war.
The prevailing story about them in Ukraine is about trains. How they wasn't allowed to the first evacuation trains because they were men and how they still trying to get to them because of internalized misogyny.
Most people don't really think about the war unless they life in the west. I guess in India, the issue of oil is important but otherwise, it's not something that's actively discussed or thought about.
I don't think Afghanistan produced this kind of effect, largely because the Afghanistan government and the army was lowkey considered as a glorified occupational administration. Nobody expected it to command much loyalty, and nobody was that surprised when it just folded down. Ukrainian state, however, clearly commanded much loyalty from (most) Ukrainians - more than expected, and turned out to be more functional than expected
All true, but doesn’t it still demonstrate the principle that relying (as the Afghan govt/army did) on US support as an indispensable condition for your long-term survival is not a wise move…?
US support for a local has a long and ignoble tradition (outside maybe of NATO until now) of being highly unstable, liable to end or be attenuated by a gnarly Mid Terms result. The Afghan or other village elder who acted coldly to US forces and their local federates would be well aware they could be gone and the Taleban (and earlier Mujahideen) would be back soon or later. A prior example would've been the Soviet forces and those of the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan. Here today, gone tomorrow.
Kamil do you have any comment on this idea: I feel that Russia also won’t ally with the west because by nature joining the West means you accede to the US as the hegemon. Russia could perhaps accept being a close duopoly with the US, as a close #2 or something of that sort, but psychologically can’t accept ‘US is most powerful, with UK as #2 as a sort of consigliere and Russia effectively
in the third tier with France, Germany etc.’ which is probably the best US would ever offer..
Ukraine's current government is aggressively multiculturalist and anti-racist and in favor of good relations with the Global South... but I admit this is a relatively recent and new strain of politics in Ukraine. I suspect it'll succeed simply because Zelenskyy is *incredibly good at his job*.
Why do you say that Ukrainians hate global south? What are the things of it? Because from Ukraine it seems that we are hated by global south basically for nothing.
They tend to say racist things on social media. There was also a lot thrown at students from global sourh fleeing in the first months of war.
But there's a lot of racism in Europe. I know a successful American of color who went traveling thru Europe with his wife. On International trains, Africans had to stand or sit on the floor. To the public he and his wife were just African (slurs). He mentioned Spain I think as more decent then Italy and other parts of southern Europe. It was a mixed situation too. Some refusing to serve, some were delighted to speak to an African American. Not many Americans of color explore Europe. All the African American travelers Ive known go domestic, Caribbean islands, African resorts, South Asia, and cruises especially when theres kids.
It was eye opening to hear about that European shit. They will make fun of American racism. But its been 60 years since black people had to stand on trains or else.
Well, I've traveled a lot by train and never seen that kind of racism. Rather, whether you get a seat depends on having a reservation. Granted, that may disadvantage tourists if they don't know the right homepage or app to buy reservations.
Are you a person of color? This gentleman and his wife were refused service in some restaurants. The train problem wasn't about ticketed seating this man isn't stupid. I've gotten to know a large number of non white people in my professional and personal life. I learned that white people, will almost never be able to see racism occurring. Even out in public a group of whites with a black person in it will be treated like a group of white people. Which is why I was blind to it.
My former black boss's stories were crazy, wearing a suit while driving a nice car got pulled over more then when he wore street clothes in an old car. Cops and blue collar white males REALLY hate successful black people.
Europe has lots of problems with ethnic discrimination. I just don't think train seating is one of them.
Seeing someone say racism described to me isn't a problem is really something to see. Just admit u dont have a clue and dont care and go away
Hmm... What are prevailing story among non-white people about students from global south in the first month of the war.
The prevailing story about them in Ukraine is about trains. How they wasn't allowed to the first evacuation trains because they were men and how they still trying to get to them because of internalized misogyny.
Most people don't really think about the war unless they life in the west. I guess in India, the issue of oil is important but otherwise, it's not something that's actively discussed or thought about.
Afghanistan another example of the ball-sucking nature of trusting in American support.
I don't think Afghanistan produced this kind of effect, largely because the Afghanistan government and the army was lowkey considered as a glorified occupational administration. Nobody expected it to command much loyalty, and nobody was that surprised when it just folded down. Ukrainian state, however, clearly commanded much loyalty from (most) Ukrainians - more than expected, and turned out to be more functional than expected
All true, but doesn’t it still demonstrate the principle that relying (as the Afghan govt/army did) on US support as an indispensable condition for your long-term survival is not a wise move…?
US support for a local has a long and ignoble tradition (outside maybe of NATO until now) of being highly unstable, liable to end or be attenuated by a gnarly Mid Terms result. The Afghan or other village elder who acted coldly to US forces and their local federates would be well aware they could be gone and the Taleban (and earlier Mujahideen) would be back soon or later. A prior example would've been the Soviet forces and those of the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan. Here today, gone tomorrow.
Kamil do you have any comment on this idea: I feel that Russia also won’t ally with the west because by nature joining the West means you accede to the US as the hegemon. Russia could perhaps accept being a close duopoly with the US, as a close #2 or something of that sort, but psychologically can’t accept ‘US is most powerful, with UK as #2 as a sort of consigliere and Russia effectively
in the third tier with France, Germany etc.’ which is probably the best US would ever offer..
Ukraine's current government is aggressively multiculturalist and anti-racist and in favor of good relations with the Global South... but I admit this is a relatively recent and new strain of politics in Ukraine. I suspect it'll succeed simply because Zelenskyy is *incredibly good at his job*.
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